Yet another reason why I changed
Representative Tim Walz on the Protect America Act
I think its pretty nifty he is taking a stand. Granted, a few years back, I would have said, why argue over retroactive immunity, although I still would have agreed with his oversight objections.
Ultimately though, there was a 6 month sunset provision, and here we are, with a 21 day extension set to expire saturday. The requests of the Democrats are reasonable. Ie they won’t grant immuity on something without knowing what they are granting immunity for. Also, oversight is a must, bearing in mind recent history.
The resistance to these requests on the other hand is a challenge. From a constitutional violations pov, its probably a non-issue, albeit troubling, as it would come down to interpretation, and whether it falls under law enforcment, or wartime provisions. Either way, I expect its not so much an issue of criminal wrong doing, but more so power wrangling between branches and concerned parties.
From a national security point of view….things operate on a need to know basis, and having congress being privey, that could be an issue, and is a resonable concern. Yet… they routinely are briefed in committees, so for the most part, this too is less of an issue.
My guess is, its economics. Data mining technology and the like is very closely held, and all it takes in many cases is a seemingly trivial piece of knowledge to grant competitive advantage. When oversight is added, it can put ecomomic advantages at risk. When immunity is not granted, doors are opened, and apart from civil damages, again a contractors economic advantages can be compromised. Now, one could state that terrorists could use the same or similar issues to find vulnerabilities, and there is some truth in that. Yet… competition, and furtherance of the art in data mining by multiple contractors can be even more effective than a closed monopoly. Ie, it would be better to have terrorists guessing how to deal with 20+ different approaches from different contractors as contrasted with just 3 or 4.
As far as time frame goes, a compromise should have been possible in within the original time frame ie 6 months, or certainly within the extension of 21 days. I am not so sure I agree with Nancy Pelosi that another 3 weeks will result in a solution. One of two ways I could see that happening, is if something is already in the works, and the holes now created will force the issue. I hope I am way wrong on that analysis. The other, is that security agencies will scream like no tomorrow with the loss of these tools, and that will force the hand of the executive branch. Its sad it if it has to come to that, but if it does, it does. If anything, it shows change is needed in Washington in many areas.
The bottom line… because the branches could not come to some agreement, the sunset provisions will expire. Private entities are going to become very wary of cooperating without some level of immunity protection, and its likely they will choose to only operate under FISA. Oversight provisions were not enacted, and thus even if provisions are there to operate outside of FISA for a few more months, its unlikely to happen due to the lack of immunity. The end result, the constitution remains protected, but at the cost of compromised national security.
Ultimately, its the executive branch that chose that path, and whether they chose to do so, due to economic pressures, to cover their tracks, or for real concerns of national security, the end result, is that its a very sad day, and huge holes are now open.
I am pleased Congressman Walz is taking a stand for the constitution. Its a bold move for sure…. it shows he is a man of ideals. I am not pleased with the actions of my prior party, nor the executive branch. Selling out liberty for safety is not cool. Thank goodness for Congressman Walz and his fellow Democrats.




It’s a question of Immunity … (or using immigration jargon – Amnesty).
In court documents, former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio said “ the NSA approached Qwest more than six months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks … Nacchio’s account, which places the NSA proposal at a meeting on Feb. 27, 2001, suggests that the Bush administration was seeking to enlist telecommunications firms in programs without court oversight before the terrorist attacks.â€
There is a lot of misinformation and fearmongering going on. I believe that original 1978 law would now be back in place so the FISA Court will be still involved. Remember: the White House need only get retroactive FISA Court approval; in other words, the law allows “act first, ask later.” There is also a “life†to what is already active for another year.
Here’s what I don’t understand … if Bush is so convinced that America is in grave danger by not addressing this issue, why didn’t he invoke his constitutional power (Article II Section 3) “He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information on the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them …†Obviously, there is disagreement between the Senate and the House … and his public fear-mongering statements make this necessary. Lastly, Bush likes to compare himself to Harry Truman … well, Truman called Congress back into session twice during his term.
Comment by Minnesota Central — February 18, 2008 @ 7:57 am
Wow, that I did not know… ie the Feb 27,2001 date. However, from a technology point of view, it was not expected either, especially considering things like the huge push for requiring back door entry capability in telecom equipment designs of that era. This seems to confirm there is much more than is readily apparent on the surface.
Correct, the 1978 FISA ruling remains… but its likely really easy to generate huge backlogs when datamining is involved, and no one wants to talk publicly about that arena…. esp when domestic communications are likely involved.
It will be interesting to see what happens. Thank you for the comments.
Comment by Ron — February 18, 2008 @ 8:55 am